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[#] Sun May 23 2021 19:56:54 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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Sitchin has some real interesting theories about these ancient megalithic structures all being concentrated around particular longitudinal parallels and being navigable from air, and even space. I never got really far into the study of this specific aspect of "ancient alien astronaut" hypotheses... but what I read had a certain logic.  

Sun May 23 2021 18:18:20 MST from ASCII Express
I heard a fascinating theory that the Great Pyramid acted as a water pump to irrigate the desert.
Again, totally advanced and made of stone. Beautiful organic analog technology at its finest.

 



[#] Sun May 23 2021 21:21:21 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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ASCII and Dave - read this link: 

https://grahamhancock.com/cassaror4/

He covers a lot of the things that Sitchin and other Alien Astronaut theorists have discussed deeply, but leaves off any assumptions about WHAT the similarities mean. 

That is one of the catches about including the idea of ancient aliens - it instantly discredits any solid research with the idea of "Tiny green men in spaceships." 

But - the whole idea of Ancient Alien Astronaut theory hinges on a very multidisciplinary approach to study of the wildly different fields of study involved. Sitchin in a linguist with a focus on Babylonia - and so his theories emerged from there. This guy is a Spanish dude fascinated with the spiritual similarities. They're both on the same vibe - but they're each approaching it from their personal fixation. 

What this guy ISN'T wrong about is the idea of a non-duality of balance as a central ancient global core belief or value - which brings us back to the Tao and the Yin Yang. The Triptek doorways, the back-to-back lions - all of these things are just another way of expressing the universal balance of the positive and the negative, and the necessity of both in equal measure.


And this *certainly* indicates that there is a "prehistoric lost mother culture" that spawned the earliest civilizations across the globe - and that causes them to evolve with many strongly shared core values. 

I think there is compelling evidence in the Cydonia region of Mars that there was artificial construction there in a long since dead society. I think that combined with the universal global cultures that we see at what we consider "the very start" of humanity - that really what we are looking at is a far more advanced society decaying inevitably toward the dark ages and a period of anarchy and barbarism that lasted nearly 2000 years.  Much of what we've dismissed as myth and superstition is simply misunderstood knowledge eventually decaying into cargo-cult like religious fanaticism. 

For this reason - I think it is *dangerous* to interpret any spiritual belief as "metaphysical spiritualism". I don't think that literal translations are best. Assume that what they are saying is what really happened. The Indian myths about Gods in flying cities raining down arrows that caused huge clouds to rise into the sky and obliterated entire cities on the ground aren't some epic myth. They happened. The stories about armies marching around city walls for 3 days and then blowing horns and the walls collapsed aren't myths - they happened. The stories have been embellished by people who could not comprehend what these things must have been like - were passed on by oral tradition long after the events had ended. The knowledge of the Tao isn't some inner solution that you can find by tapping into some cosmic energy of the universe. It isn't *magic* - it is a description of actual physics - of physical properties and rules of the universe that we no longer understand. Like the idea that you could rain down arrows from a city in the sky that would obliterate a city, or use a sonic weapon to make buildings crumble - these things we once didn't understand, we are rediscovering all the time. 

It may be Atlantis, it may be something entirely different... but there is too much of this, across too much of the world, for it to be coincidence or to be parallel development. At some point in the distant past, we were FAR more advanced, possibly than we are even today - and something cataclysmic happened - or maybe several cataclysmic things happened, maybe over a long period of time - and we struggled to keep on... and we kept slipping into the darkness of ignorance. Along the way - what we were and what we knew got VERY twisted and fragmented - but enough common things persisted to tie it all together. 

I think as a society - we just don't like to face the implications of what all this means. It isn't a very hopeful message about ourselves - ignoring it seems to make us more likely to repeat it, though. 

 



 



[#] Tue Jun 01 2021 19:16:36 MST from ASCII Express

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Really interesting article!
I particularly liked the part about the third eye symbolism.
The distant past looks like the distant future.

[#] Wed Jun 02 2021 18:49:17 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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Again, I think the spiritualism of the "third-eye" concept and similar "metaphysical" spiritual beliefs aren't "hogwash"... I think they're misunderstood advanced cosmic physics that we once understood and now do not.

I think the perceived universe, perceived reality, is a fraction of a multidimensional universe where we may exist on multiple planes of existence simultaneously, and some of those planes may be dimensions outside of linear time as we understand it. 

I often describe the basic idea as this... "If you are a character in a book, you only know what has been read, and are only experiencing what is *being* read. You do not know what happens 100 pages from now - and your memory of what happened 100 pages ago is only as good as that of the reader in the moment you are in." 


But if you are the reader - you can skip around, at any time, to any page in the book - and the reader is an extension of yourself as a character in the book. His reading is what creates your existence. He can go back and know EXACTLY what happened 100 pages ago, and he can skip ahead 100 pages to find out what happened to you, at any time. 

A dimension of linear time is like a book. If you're inside it, you only really experience the *present moment*. The future is unknown, and the past is murky. But if you're outside it, you can look at any moment of time, past, present and future. There is no actual present, or future, really. It is all past. It is all written. 

And, scripturally, we  hear this idea expressed in countless disciplines, over and over again. This is a pretty advanced multidimensional, string theory/chaos theory kind of branch of science for Goat Herders and Olive farmers to have come up with 7000 years or more ago. People were REPEATING the idea - but I don't think they really had the grounding in these cutting edge sciences to understand how that could be, how that could mean - even as recently as 30 or 40 years ago. It is only in the last 20 years or so that the stuff science has been coming up with actually *supports* "metaphysical" claims about how every moment is already written and known to God. 

Or to whatever extradimensional belief you hold. Oddly enough - about the *only* discipline that resists this idea is the secular atheist - who wants to believe that what we see is all of reality and that we exist for a short while and then simply blink out. 

 

Tue Jun 01 2021 19:16:36 MST from ASCII Express
Really interesting article!
I particularly liked the part about the third eye symbolism.
The distant past looks like the distant future.

 



[#] Fri Jun 04 2021 21:03:26 MST from ASCII Express

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I recently watched an interview with Douglas Adams, a radical atheist according to him, and he said how he admires the idea of extreme complexity coming from extreme simplicity. So close, yet so far...

[#] Sat Jun 05 2021 06:19:19 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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This is the Hitchiker's Guide author, right? 

I'll be honest, I see less evidence for God than for ancient alien astronaut theory. At least, from the perspective of what organized religion tells me should be confirmation of God. 

From a scientific perspective - I see a lot of evidence of God that science tries to deny. The fact that we have found *no* evidence of even simple life outside of Earth, let alone *sapient* life... *anywhere* in the Universe - argues that the Earth is *special* in all of creation. This was the church's problem with heliocentric orbit. It moved us from the center of the universe to "no place special in particular, orbiting a star in no special particular place in the solar system." It really downgraded our status as center of creation to just a random rising of life on a random rock in a random galaxy in a random place in the universe. That was considered evidence *against* God. 


So... if it turns out that this is all *special* and unique in the VASTNESS of the visible universe - if it turns out we're a single tiny diamond set in a vivid ring in a desert of sand - then that argues that "Someone put us there." 

I don't mind atheists. I mind their religious fervor in trying to convert people from other religions to theirs. 




Fri Jun 04 2021 21:03:26 MST from ASCII Express
I recently watched an interview with Douglas Adams, a radical atheist according to him, and he said how he admires the idea of extreme complexity coming from extreme simplicity. So close, yet so far...

 



[#] Thu Jun 10 2021 17:10:51 MST from ASCII Express

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Yes, he wrote Hitchhiker's.
When I first discovered the whole ancient alien astronaut thing, it felt like finding the missing piece to the puzzle. All kinds of things fit together, such as the accounts of fantastic things which they could never have known. This doesn't make it true, but it does make it interesting.

[#] Sun Jun 13 2021 15:30:11 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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Agreed. The alien astronaut theory isn't necessarily true - but it is as compelling and supported as the conventional narrative about humanity's history. 

The big thing missing from it as a hypothesis is any evidence of sentient/sapient life *anywhere* else in the universe. 

You would think with our current level of technology - if advanced space-faring races existed outside of Earth - we would have spot correlative evidence of that by now. 

 

Thu Jun 10 2021 17:10:51 MST from ASCII Express
Yes, he wrote Hitchhiker's.
When I first discovered the whole ancient alien astronaut thing, it felt like finding the missing piece to the puzzle. All kinds of things fit together, such as the accounts of fantastic things which they could never have known. This doesn't make it true, but it does make it interesting.

 



[#] Wed Jun 16 2021 13:35:42 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

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Well, I think you and I have already squared this circle. In my theology, gods are ancient astronauts, if you just erase a bunch of irrelevant connotations of both of those terms. And if we're going to become our potential--becoming immortal astronauts--again, we are going to have to learn to cooperate. How quickly we would have leapfrogged technology if we'd only loved each other like Christ commanded. How are we going to get off this planet before it inevitably (scientists have finally admitted this in the last century) burns with consuming fire if we don't stop stealing and destroying our families, etc., etc.?

How much richer would we be if we didn't have to lock our doors? How much wiser would we be if we lived as long as Adam (905 years) because we attend to our health instead of sacrificing it in war against our neighbors?

I hear so much slander against the Elizabethans. But you know what? They made the investigation of the natural world the proper occupation of every man of leisure. Fame and laud were won foremostly by the man who discovered a new species, a new organ, a proper theory. Science as we know it would still be trapped in the millennium-stagnant academy if it weren't for that era, when men were told that life is more than swiving the maid. 



[#] Wed Jun 16 2021 21:11:33 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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To be fair, a good number of those men of leisure going on bold adventures to further mankind's knowledge were swiving the maid, too. You *can* do both. :) 

But anyhow - the rest of it, yeah, excellent composition of your thoughts. Concise, on point, and ultra-precise in communicating a very complex thought about seemingly unconnected but actually deeply interconnected facets of humanity and society. 

I especially like how you locked it in with "They said that the end game is being consumed in a lake of fire, and literally, that is what happens if we don't learn to cooperate - eventually, we have to find somewhere in the heavens, or we all burn." 

The *correct* interpretation has *nothing* to do with a metaphysical or *metaphorical* hell, by that interpretation - it is literally the inability of those who were told to conceptualize what was being told to them about the actual physics of our location in the universe. 

I love it - and it had never occurred to me in my studies and attempts to try and decipher how "what we believe" could be interpreted based on what we now know. There aren't many "new ones" on me that I've missed in this particular niche. 

 

 

 

Wed Jun 16 2021 13:35:42 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

Well, I think you and I have already squared this circle. In my theology, gods are ancient astronauts, if you just erase a bunch of irrelevant connotations of both of those terms. And if we're going to become our potential--becoming immortal astronauts--again, we are going to have to learn to cooperate. How quickly we would have leapfrogged technology if we'd only loved each other like Christ commanded. How are we going to get off this planet before it inevitably (scientists have finally admitted this in the last century) burns with consuming fire if we don't stop stealing and destroying our families, etc., etc.?

How much richer would we be if we didn't have to lock our doors? How much wiser would we be if we lived as long as Adam (905 years) because we attend to our health instead of sacrificing it in war against our neighbors?

I hear so much slander against the Elizabethans. But you know what? They made the investigation of the natural world the proper occupation of every man of leisure. Fame and laud were won foremostly by the man who discovered a new species, a new organ, a proper theory. Science as we know it would still be trapped in the millennium-stagnant academy if it weren't for that era, when men were told that life is more than swiving the maid. 



 



[#] Tue Jun 29 2021 14:40:57 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

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"The *correct* interpretation..."

Yeah, it's tough. Jesus told people He was the son of God and they were like... Huh? He said He was going to die and come back to life and they were like... What? He said He was going to bring the kingdom of heaven to Earth and they went OKAY BUT LIKE IN WHAT SENSE?! I don't blame them. There's no great way to say sooooo many things.

But a few things are for sure, such as the undeniable fact that the official history of civilization doesn't stand up to a minute's scrutiny. And that's shortening to 25 seconds, maybe 15 as more truth literally rises from the ground at all these amazing dig sites. 



[#] Tue Jun 29 2021 14:43:43 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

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>it had never occurred to me in my studies and attempts to try and decipher how "what we believe" could be interpreted based on what we now know.

I reading this three times and I'm not sure I get it. Can you expound? 



[#] Wed Jun 30 2021 11:42:19 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

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What we believe: 

If we do not rise above ourselves and learn to love one another, to be better people, we will end up in a lake of fire. 

What we know: 

If humanity doesn't overcome its selfish, self-destructive base instincts, it is likely we'll still be stuck on this planet when the sun expands and turns it into a lake of fire. 

The ancient belief of damnation by fire is the ultimate fate awaiting humanity if we do not evolve ourselves to a point where we can figure out how to get out of this solar system. There is a time limit - and in the end, earth becomes a molten liquid ball of death. 

 

Tue Jun 29 2021 14:43:43 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

>it had never occurred to me in my studies and attempts to try and decipher how "what we believe" could be interpreted based on what we now know.

I reading this three times and I'm not sure I get it. Can you expound? 



 



[#] Thu Aug 26 2021 17:35:13 MST from Jerry Moore

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Hey! I'm a couple months late and a shekel short, but what you guys wrote here echoes stuff I posted on FaceBook this morning. In particular, I shared an article about the sun expanding and swallowing up the Earth in a few million years or so, and praised Elon Musk for his vision and efforts to get humanity into space and working to leave the solar system behind. Since I'm an old guy with no legs who doesn't get out much anymore, and the recent details of my retired life aren't as pleasant as I would like, I spend too much time on FaceBook, sharing memories from past posts and articles about things that interest me, pulled from Facebook's News functions. PD has been trying to get me to spend more time here (I'm a former Citadel sysop), but a combination of things has tied me to FaceBook, including the literary, technology and science groups to which I belong, the presence of family there who won't move to another venue, and the FaceBook friends who massage my ego by liking my posts. You may see more of me, since I'm finally getting back here after a couple months of slacking. Oh, I'm also into philosophy, religion (although I'm an Agnostic - not an Atheist, they are a religion), Fantasy and Science Fiction. . .and Space, definitely Space!

Wed Jun 30 2021 11:42:19 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

What we believe: 

If we do not rise above ourselves and learn to love one another, to be better people, we will end up in a lake of fire. 

What we know: 

If humanity doesn't overcome its selfish, self-destructive base instincts, it is likely we'll still be stuck on this planet when the sun expands and turns it into a lake of fire. 

The ancient belief of damnation by fire is the ultimate fate awaiting humanity if we do not evolve ourselves to a point where we can figure out how to get out of this solar system. There is a time limit - and in the end, earth becomes a molten liquid ball of death. 

 

Tue Jun 29 2021 14:43:43 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

>it had never occurred to me in my studies and attempts to try and decipher how "what we believe" could be interpreted based on what we now know.

I reading this three times and I'm not sure I get it. Can you expound?